The discussion turned to the role of the richest man in the world – American Elon Musk – in Trump's team.
According to Chaly, Musk believes his contribution to Trump's victory is the most significant.
"Donald Trump himself clearly appreciates this assistance. Evidence of this is his intention to appoint Elon Musk as one of the two heads of DOGE. [...] No one knows yet how the relationship between this structure, the department, and the authorities will look like. [...] Do you know what's happening with them now? They tried this last time. I mean, Donald Trump. And they want to save $1 trillion by cutting down on officials. Officials, cutting various functions," said the former ambassador to the US.
He described the approach to cuts as "rather strange".
"They want to pass this through the system, well, we call it artificial intelligence. Let's say, through a certain check. And where job responsibilities are more political than specific bureaucratic work, they want to automatically eliminate those positions. And now everyone is cleaning up the words diversity, empathy… It’s no longer fashionable, very unfashionable to talk about various gender manifestations and so on. Now the entire business has lined up in a kind of repentance. Starting with [Meta CEO Mark] Zuckerberg," Chaly reported.
The interlocutor of Batsman explained that in the US, gender identity sometimes took precedence over a person's professional qualities.
"They have gone very far with this. And, so to speak, if you are applying for a job, and in front of you is, for example, a transgender person, or some other gender identity – they, that is, neither a woman nor a man. Then this person had a better chance of getting the position according to additional recommendations than a white American, even a black one. The period when blacks had privileges during [President] Barack Obama has also ended. So many Americans consider this abnormal. Many believe that professional qualities are needed," he explained.
According to Chaly, the situation in the US "will now change, and Elon Musk plays a key role in this: such a destruction of the system."
"Donald Trump likes this," emphasized the former Ukrainian ambassador to the US.